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Post by tonyr on Sept 6, 2015 17:29:32 GMT -8
I agree with Sam in all of his points that he points out. The one that I definitely feel the strongest is his first view, where he talks about how privacy is always going to be violated no matter what. The reason for this is because we can see that this has been happening in the internet for a very long time.
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Post by Kiana Radliff on Sept 6, 2015 18:27:43 GMT -8
In his article, Jeff Yang says “the massive hack of the online adultery marketplace Ashley Madison by the aptly named Impact Team may be an extinction-level event for privacy as we know it.” However, was any of the information we put online ever private in the first place? Everything put online was never really “private” in the first place; meaning, the instance in which information put online has always had the ability to someway be found in the first place. When it comes to the internet, people need to accept that with our technology nowadays you have to assume that you won’t have privacy. That doesn’t mean privacy is nonexistent, it just means a part of it in which thought was private actually isn’t. We should care because those who don’t realize the lack of privacy they have online should be aware, so they don’t end up in a situation similar to the Ashley Madison hack.
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Post by Kiana Radliff on Sept 6, 2015 18:31:00 GMT -8
I agree with Jessica when she said "I think that privacy is not extinct rather it is extinct in different parts of an individual's life. Perhaps online it is extinct but not in other parts of an individual's life." Although online privacy might not exist, there are still aspects of privacy that we still have. Privacy is not extinct, and lets hope it stays that way.
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Post by emmalandry14 on Sept 6, 2015 18:51:39 GMT -8
I believe that privacy probably is gone altogether and I also believe that this is a very bad thing. That being said, I don't think the greatest issue is that we don't have privacy, I think that the biggest issue is the affects of having no privacy. The affects of the Ashley Madison hack, for example, were suicides. Having no privacy is leading to much bigger things, and that's the main issue. Privacy being violated, yes, but the issue is that it is leading to suicide and identity theft. It's more about the affects and less about the causes.
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Post by emmalandry14 on Sept 6, 2015 18:55:45 GMT -8
I highly disagree with Sam's comment. To say that it is not important that privacy is being violated is just false. There are so many negative things happening though privacy breaches that could be avoided had the breach never happened. This does not mean that I approve of what was going on with Ashely Madison, because I personally believe that karma caught up to them, but there are so many bigger issues than simply having private things known. It's what happens after they are known.
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Post by Deven F. on Sept 6, 2015 19:26:54 GMT -8
I don't think privacy is extinct at all. For example, when you are in your house, you are virtually unseen. They say it's possible for people to spy on you via your computer's microphone but if you really cared about privacy you could unplug it or disconnect it from the internet. On the web, however, people should understand that it isn't impossible for their private information to be uncovered. For those who understand this concept, this isn't really a bad thing but it could be disappointing. Hopefully, the Ashley Madison hack will open people's eyes to the possibility that their private information can be hacked into and exposed. Hopefully, it will make more people take care when posting private things on the internet.
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Post by emilyf on Sept 6, 2015 19:29:33 GMT -8
Yes, in a sense, I do think that privacy is gone. With the technologies and capabilities of today, we are unable to keep anything private. With the government, hackers, drones, bugging, ect. anyone could potentially have access to your information. It is not only online where our information is sacrificed. This is not to say though that everyone has access to our information. But it takes just a few simple clicks and only a small amount of effort for a lot of people to know a lot of things. Like Edward Snowden found, the government has access to a lot more than we know. So in a sense our privacy is extinct, and at least for now, we have no way of keeping our information and persons secure.
This is not necessarily a bad thing though. In most cases, it does not physically affect us. And a lot of the time, we don’t even know that it is happening. People knowing our information will most likely not physically affect us, but there is the chance that it could be morally destructive. We can find ourselves obsessing over a privacy we will never achieve, or people knowing information that really isn’t any of their business.
I think that the Ashley Madison hack is just the tip of the iceberg in two ways. First, it showed many people the power of hacking. Now it is public information that random individuals have the power to wreak havoc. Second, it awoken hackers to what is possible. There are an unlimited amount of databases that hackers could hack into and release information from. Especially things that people want kept private. As the article mentioned, there is the possibility of people making public the data from “Rehab centers, churches, foundations, political campaigns -- or Planned Parenthood”. This would all be information that people would want kept private, and while it would not be destructive from a larger perspective, it could be in a smaller way.
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Post by Deven F. on Sept 6, 2015 19:36:52 GMT -8
In reply to Ryan F.. First of all, *our. Secondly, there is plenty of evidence to support why relationships are being harmed and not helped as you claimed. The Ashley Madison article itself points out that members of couples have committed suicide. And it also implies that the hack has provoked many divorces.
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Post by emilyf on Sept 6, 2015 19:50:29 GMT -8
I find the point that eerika made really interesting- how the article related the extinction to privacy to the extinction of dinosaurs. It draws the reader into the article and although it may be a bit of an exaggeration, I though for the most part though it was accurate. I think that our privacy is extinct, and this can be shown through Snowden's findings, the Ashley Madison incident, and the more common use of drones. This is not all though, there have been many more incidents that may have not exploded in the media, but do in fact display the invasion of our privacy. Regardless of whether or not we acknowledge our privacy is extinct, and being further disparaged every day.
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Post by Sachi Land on Sept 6, 2015 19:56:46 GMT -8
Despite the articles statement that "the massive hack of the online adultery marketplace Ashley Madison by the aptly named Impact Team may be an extinction-level event for privacy as we know it" (Yang), I don't believe privacy is extinct altogether. Only in the world of the internet and anyone connected online is privacy threatened to the point of extinction. There are still places of seclusion and escape in the world, but there is no where to hide online. The idea of total exposure has both its upsides and downsides. I don't agree that it is just a bad thing because the lack of privacy still has its benefits. Without privacy, there would be no hiding, no crime that couldn't be exposed. People couldn't lie or get away with bad actions, and people would have a greater sense of safety in almost every aspect of their lives. However, who would you ever be able to trust? How could you confine in someone if you knew every lie they have told, all the bad things they have done? Everyone has something to hide, but that doesn't mean they are a bad person. Truly, though, if we knew every thing our best friend had said about us, would you still want to be friends with them? This idea could lean both ways, but I would not label it solely as "bad". The Ashley Madison hack is for sure the tip of a very, large, very jagged iceberg. This starts a new age, and "the subsequent rapid deployment of publicly available tools that allow not just the media, but everyday individuals, to search for their own names or those of others, has established what will inevitably become a pattern" (Yang). As soon as people start to investigate those around them, noses will be stuck into their business, too. We should care! What people don't understand is that this very much applies to them, not just "faceless corporations, famous figures or powerful government institutions whose privacy has been assaulted" (Yang). It's you. And you should care about it, because you are hiding something.
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Post by Sachi Land on Sept 6, 2015 20:00:24 GMT -8
I think Sydney bring up an interesting point when she says, "In this day and age it is almost impossible to use technology without being monitored. I think that when we go online, to search something or post something on social media it is with the intent of it being seen by others. Why, then, are we so upset over the fact that these surveillance monitors can see them as well?" We are bringing it upon ourselves, and that is something people need to recognize. We are trading online services for our information, and people need to know the terms of the deal before they sign it. So really, we don't have the right to get upset. We made the trade.
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Post by Paige D. on Sept 6, 2015 20:14:55 GMT -8
I do not think that privacy is gone altogether. Although there is all the talk about government surveillance, advertisers targeting customers through cameras, and now this situation, our privacy is not gone from us. Privacy is only craved by those who need it. People walk around town being watched by manekins and being watched through their computer screen cameras without even being aware that they are being watched. If privacy was gone from us it would not be a bad thing at all. The government surveillance agencies all keep their surveillance of citizens on the down low; because of this, most Americans don't even know their privacy is being taken away. We should not care that our privacy is being taken away because if it happens to us all the time without us noticing, then why should we care about it being gone?
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Post by Paige D. on Sept 6, 2015 20:25:48 GMT -8
I do not think that privacy is gone altogether. Although there is all the talk about government surveillance, advertisers targeting customers through cameras, and now this situation, our privacy is not gone from us. Privacy is only craved by those who need it. People walk around town being watched by manekins and being watched through their computer screen cameras without even being aware that they are being watched. If privacy was gone from us it would not be a bad thing at all. The government surveillance agencies all keep their surveillance of citizens on the down low; because of this, most Americans don't even know their privacy is being taken away. We should not care that our privacy is being taken away because if it happens to us all the time without us noticing, then why should we care about it being gone? Also privacy is only important to those who have something to hide. The article explains how this hacking job is "continuing to end relationships and destroy lives" (Paragraph 7) while more and more people figure out the truth. All of these relationships are being destroyed because one person in the relationship went behind the other persons back so that the innocent person did not know what other actions the guilty person was doing. The only reason this whole hack was such a big deal to privacy was because people had something to hide that became unhidden. Privacy is only for those who really need it which is what this article supports.
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Post by Paige D. on Sept 6, 2015 20:32:39 GMT -8
I do not think that privacy is gone altogether. Although there is all the talk about government surveillance, advertisers targeting customers through cameras, and now this situation, our privacy is not gone from us. Privacy is only craved by those who need it. People walk around town being watched by manekins and being watched through their computer screen cameras without even being aware that they are being watched. If privacy was gone from us it would not be a bad thing at all. The government surveillance agencies all keep their surveillance of citizens on the down low; because of this, most Americans don't even know their privacy is being taken away. We should not care that our privacy is being taken away because if it happens to us all the time without us noticing, then why should we care about it being gone? I agree with Sam when he says that "this article exaggerated significantly that privacy is completely gone." Sam is right in that this article is only one of the examples of why our privacy is gone. This article makes it seem like there is no other situation where our privacy is being taken away. The article explains how "the massive hack of... Ashley Madison... may be an extinction-level event for privacy" (Paragraph 2). The authors of this article make a big deal about this Ashley Madison hack as if this one hack made our privacy disappear forever. This article is very exaggerated and its exaggeration is only for the interest of the reader.
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Post by maggiemiller on Sept 6, 2015 21:21:54 GMT -8
I do not think privacy is completely extinct, because we can still get it back, so that is definitely exaggerated. In my opinion, the people on that site deserved to be exposed because they were doing something wrong, well those who are/were married. Sure it's their life, but if people are going to abuse this right, they should feel what it is like to live without it. I think that because this happened, people are going to be more careful about their actions; privacy is a right that we should all deserve, unless there is something that would prove that right needs to be violated. Of course it was bad this got exposed because it exposed things about people that they didn't want to be shared with the world, but if they didn't want people to find out, they shouldn't of done it in the first place. We should care because there are people out there who will hack into private things and take private information which means we need to be more aware of who we give that information to. Anything we post privately can be exposed and I think this was the tip of the iceberg for people to understand this.
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